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		<title>By: runningawaywiththespoon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 09:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, provocative topic.

I guess my approach to labels is two-fold...one is internal, the other external.  

Internal: How I name myself helps me in my evolving process of self-discovery.  It is a path to learning more about myself, and therefore, about my relationship to the world.  Labels can be nouns or adjectives or verbs or adverbs.  Words themselves can be mutable (just like we are as people and as a culture) both in their definitions and in their usage.  This is part of what I love about them as a poet, they can both be rigid and fluid (depending on your world view, length of time, and willingness to break rules of usage).  They are a metaphor for living, and for this reason, I love them and celebrate them.  I also allow lots of flux when using them for, with, and about myself.  I seek to be loving and compassionate and fun in how I define myself.  I am quite enjoying playing with defining myself as &quot;butch&quot;, not because I am butch but because I engage in &quot;butch&quot; actions (mowing an acre of lawn dressed in capris &amp; matching crocs) and there is something fun (I love to tease M) and empowering and fucking with the term when doing so. 

External: I am defined by the world in many ways, and I am often treated in ways by others based on their reactions to their own definitions.  The world sometimes defines me in cruel ways, in ways meant to demean and harm me or limit my opportunities.  The world sometimes uses words to do this to others it believes are not me - I am most often assumed to be straight.  So it is with pride that I call myself a lesbian, because it is important to me that others reframe me in this light, and perhaps rethink their stereotypes about what that word means.  I am also a feminist, and femme, and kinky.  I am unwilling to give up the feminist label both because I believe in much of the critique and because I want feminists to rethink what the word feminist means.  I do agree that the more people use the term in an expanded form, the more the word expands and changes, and so perhaps, thought follows.  I believe that to pretend that words have no meaning or no impact on your life ignores the concept of oppression and the powerful role words play in it.  

Words, labels, can be powerful tools, both of oppression and of empowerment.  They can box us or lead us to new discoveries.  We can use them to find ourselves and to change the world.  And we will use them both with skill and with carelessness, with love and with spite, on ourselves and on others.  It&#039;s the wonder of it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, provocative topic.</p>
<p>I guess my approach to labels is two-fold&#8230;one is internal, the other external.  </p>
<p>Internal: How I name myself helps me in my evolving process of self-discovery.  It is a path to learning more about myself, and therefore, about my relationship to the world.  Labels can be nouns or adjectives or verbs or adverbs.  Words themselves can be mutable (just like we are as people and as a culture) both in their definitions and in their usage.  This is part of what I love about them as a poet, they can both be rigid and fluid (depending on your world view, length of time, and willingness to break rules of usage).  They are a metaphor for living, and for this reason, I love them and celebrate them.  I also allow lots of flux when using them for, with, and about myself.  I seek to be loving and compassionate and fun in how I define myself.  I am quite enjoying playing with defining myself as &#8220;butch&#8221;, not because I am butch but because I engage in &#8220;butch&#8221; actions (mowing an acre of lawn dressed in capris &amp; matching crocs) and there is something fun (I love to tease M) and empowering and fucking with the term when doing so. </p>
<p>External: I am defined by the world in many ways, and I am often treated in ways by others based on their reactions to their own definitions.  The world sometimes defines me in cruel ways, in ways meant to demean and harm me or limit my opportunities.  The world sometimes uses words to do this to others it believes are not me &#8211; I am most often assumed to be straight.  So it is with pride that I call myself a lesbian, because it is important to me that others reframe me in this light, and perhaps rethink their stereotypes about what that word means.  I am also a feminist, and femme, and kinky.  I am unwilling to give up the feminist label both because I believe in much of the critique and because I want feminists to rethink what the word feminist means.  I do agree that the more people use the term in an expanded form, the more the word expands and changes, and so perhaps, thought follows.  I believe that to pretend that words have no meaning or no impact on your life ignores the concept of oppression and the powerful role words play in it.  </p>
<p>Words, labels, can be powerful tools, both of oppression and of empowerment.  They can box us or lead us to new discoveries.  We can use them to find ourselves and to change the world.  And we will use them both with skill and with carelessness, with love and with spite, on ourselves and on others.  It&#8217;s the wonder of it all.</p>
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		<title>By: How To Get Laid!</title>
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		<dc:creator>How To Get Laid!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I chose third. Don&#039;t think it&#039;s as big a deal as people make out. </description>
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		<title>By: jumping over the moo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jumping over the moo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps: obviously labels can be used to hurt, but only in the same way words can (and not some magic label poison way).  i guess that might  go along with the second reply-insisting that those that use labels do so intentionally and with a lot of forethought-but i think i can still stand behind a strong &#039;i love labels!&#039; label.  if you use a label while honestly trying to communicate with someone who does not understand a word then try your best to explain it (think of it like teaching qsl-queer as a second language), and if someone uses a label and you don&#039;t know what they mean (or just don&#039;t understand why your assumed hetero man boss uses &#039;butch&#039;, too) then just ask.   
 
as an aside: is it contradictory that i take off all the labels on shampoo or lotion or cosmetic bottles because i don&#039;t like the way they clutter up my tiny apartment? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps: obviously labels can be used to hurt, but only in the same way words can (and not some magic label poison way).  i guess that might  go along with the second reply-insisting that those that use labels do so intentionally and with a lot of forethought-but i think i can still stand behind a strong &#039;i love labels!&#039; label.  if you use a label while honestly trying to communicate with someone who does not understand a word then try your best to explain it (think of it like teaching qsl-queer as a second language), and if someone uses a label and you don&#039;t know what they mean (or just don&#039;t understand why your assumed hetero man boss uses &#039;butch&#039;, too) then just ask.  </p>
<p>as an aside: is it contradictory that i take off all the labels on shampoo or lotion or cosmetic bottles because i don&#039;t like the way they clutter up my tiny apartment?</p>
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		<title>By: jumping over the moo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ditto zoe. ditto G. 
 
and people here are using &#039;labels&#039; to mean &#039;descriptive words&#039;.  some of them are most often used as adjectives, some as nouns... 
the words in a language reflect the truths in that culture (and vice versa).  words are important-they give us the ability create ideas, and to pass them on.   
 
a teacher once told my class that everything was &#039;alive&#039;.  after trying to convince him otherwise using the specific criteria sanctioned by the scientific community and losing, i tried a different approach:  &#039;why have a word that means everything?  we already have &#039;everything&#039;. &#039;  lesson?  not everyone has the same meaning for a word, but there has to be some generally accepted idea for the term to be useful (though it can change over time and place). 
 
if you told me you didn&#039;t use labels (for yourself or others) then i&#039;d say you were dumb as a doorpost.  seriously.  describe yourself.  describe your environment.  if you think &#039;butch&#039; or &#039;femme&#039; or even &#039;kinky queer butch top&#039; is too limiting then do some research, spend some time, and get creative.  labels are not limiting, people are.  (i swear to god i don&#039;t belong to the nra) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ditto zoe. ditto G.</p>
<p>and people here are using &#039;labels&#039; to mean &#039;descriptive words&#039;.  some of them are most often used as adjectives, some as nouns&#8230;</p>
<p>the words in a language reflect the truths in that culture (and vice versa).  words are important-they give us the ability create ideas, and to pass them on.  </p>
<p>a teacher once told my class that everything was &#039;alive&#039;.  after trying to convince him otherwise using the specific criteria sanctioned by the scientific community and losing, i tried a different approach:  &#039;why have a word that means everything?  we already have &#039;everything&#039;. &#039;  lesson?  not everyone has the same meaning for a word, but there has to be some generally accepted idea for the term to be useful (though it can change over time and place).</p>
<p>if you told me you didn&#039;t use labels (for yourself or others) then i&#039;d say you were dumb as a doorpost.  seriously.  describe yourself.  describe your environment.  if you think &#039;butch&#039; or &#039;femme&#039; or even &#039;kinky queer butch top&#039; is too limiting then do some research, spend some time, and get creative.  labels are not limiting, people are.  (i swear to god i don&#039;t belong to the nra)</p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 16:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>although I voted that I hate labels because I am who I am and because who I am changes, I do feel that labels can be fun to play with and it&#039;s exciting to be able to use them to twist how others think of us. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>although I voted that I hate labels because I am who I am and because who I am changes, I do feel that labels can be fun to play with and it&#039;s exciting to be able to use them to twist how others think of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Noell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 01:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labels are just another box the &#039;society&#039; can put us into. They&#039;re afraid when they can&#039;t classify us. Not being able to classify means not knowing how to react or even how to refer to us. I&#039;m a lesbian and I&#039;m not going to label myself. That just makes me one of &#039;society&#039; - a very stereotypical narrow-minded society.  
 
No offense to others.. That&#039;s just how it is where I live. Hopefully it&#039;s different for you. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labels are just another box the &#039;society&#039; can put us into. They&#039;re afraid when they can&#039;t classify us. Not being able to classify means not knowing how to react or even how to refer to us. I&#039;m a lesbian and I&#039;m not going to label myself. That just makes me one of &#039;society&#039; &#8211; a very stereotypical narrow-minded society. </p>
<p>No offense to others.. That&#039;s just how it is where I live. Hopefully it&#039;s different for you.</p>
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		<title>By: zoe</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as someone with scientific training, i think there is too much bias in the way that the questions were worded for these results to be numerically meaningful.  the second one was most nuanced and belonged most to the language of the blog.  nevertheless, an interesting conversation. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as someone with scientific training, i think there is too much bias in the way that the questions were worded for these results to be numerically meaningful.  the second one was most nuanced and belonged most to the language of the blog.  nevertheless, an interesting conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like labels, but can be skeptical ... 
 
We all use labels, whether we like it or not; that&#039;s how our brains determine relativity. How&#039;s the weather? Hot. Cool. Sunny. Overcast. This helps us categorize. Can the label change? Sure. Does it mean the weather will be that same way all day long? No. But in that moment, it provides perspective.  
 
I tell people that I use labels as an adjective, not a noun. The same way I would use tall, Irish or blue-eyed. Those don&#039;t define me, but they help you get a sense of who I am. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like labels, but can be skeptical &#8230;</p>
<p>We all use labels, whether we like it or not; that&#039;s how our brains determine relativity. How&#039;s the weather? Hot. Cool. Sunny. Overcast. This helps us categorize. Can the label change? Sure. Does it mean the weather will be that same way all day long? No. But in that moment, it provides perspective. </p>
<p>I tell people that I use labels as an adjective, not a noun. The same way I would use tall, Irish or blue-eyed. Those don&#039;t define me, but they help you get a sense of who I am.</p>
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		<title>By: North</title>
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		<dc:creator>North</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 09:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alphafemme: &lt;i&gt;&quot;It&#8217;s like, oh my god, what do I have to do to be a femme? Do I really belong with that label? Will people judge me for identifying that way? And boy, do they. I think policing of labels and identities is way more common than your perspective on everyone being an expert on their own gender and identity.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
I totally identify with this (though for me it&#039;s more &quot;What do I have to do to be butch?&quot;)  I also am much happier with labels as adjectives: that butch or queer or whatever can be one description among many, and that I can rearrange them or change how I feel about them at will.  When the label works as a noun (&quot;a lesbian,&quot; &quot;a butch&quot;) I feel like I need more commitment to it internally.   
 
Something similar happens externally, with the policing of labels.  There are labels I&#039;m reluctant to take on, even though I have that same sense of recognition that Em the Femme and Sinclair and Daisy have talked about, because I don&#039;t want to have the conversation where someone&#039;s like, really?  you identify with [x]?  you&#039;re totally not a REAL [x]!  And it&#039;s true - I&#039;m not.  Those are usually labels (like butch, actually) that have this fairly broad spectrum of expression; so because I&#039;m not very intensely butch/whatever, I don&#039;t fit people&#039;s idea of someone who claims that particular label. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alphafemme: <i>&quot;It&rsquo;s like, oh my god, what do I have to do to be a femme? Do I really belong with that label? Will people judge me for identifying that way? And boy, do they. I think policing of labels and identities is way more common than your perspective on everyone being an expert on their own gender and identity.&quot;</i></p>
<p>I totally identify with this (though for me it&#039;s more &quot;What do I have to do to be butch?&quot;)  I also am much happier with labels as adjectives: that butch or queer or whatever can be one description among many, and that I can rearrange them or change how I feel about them at will.  When the label works as a noun (&quot;a lesbian,&quot; &quot;a butch&quot;) I feel like I need more commitment to it internally.  </p>
<p>Something similar happens externally, with the policing of labels.  There are labels I&#039;m reluctant to take on, even though I have that same sense of recognition that Em the Femme and Sinclair and Daisy have talked about, because I don&#039;t want to have the conversation where someone&#039;s like, really?  you identify with [x]?  you&#039;re totally not a REAL [x]!  And it&#039;s true &#8211; I&#039;m not.  Those are usually labels (like butch, actually) that have this fairly broad spectrum of expression; so because I&#039;m not very intensely butch/whatever, I don&#039;t fit people&#039;s idea of someone who claims that particular label.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 07:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally find labels useful to help me begin to understand new people I come into contact with, but I always bear in mind that people&#039;s identities change over time, and that there are no hard and fast definitions for labels. I guess I use them as a general indication of a few things: the individual&#039;s vague position on the gender/sexuality spectrum, and also the person&#039;s awareness of gender/sexuality issues. 
 
However, I have grown to despise and resist any mention of labels with straight people. I find that my straight friends and acquaintances often have very narrow and inflexible ideas in their minds regarding labels. So for example, one friend freaked out when I mentioned I was seeing a transguy - &quot;But I thought you were a LESBIAN!?&quot;; or &quot;If you&#039;re a femme, why are you wearing jeans?&quot;. Very narrow, pretty ignorant, exceedingly tedious. So, whereas I used to try and educate my straight friends about LGBTIQ stuff, including labels, I now pretty muh leave them to figure it out on their own. 
 
Incidentally, the only term I really dislike is &#039;queer&#039;, simply because to me it is so general as to be meaningless. I know it&#039;s really popular in the community at present, but it really tells me nothing at all about the person, because the term covers such wide territory. It&#039;s kind of the ultimate anti-label. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally find labels useful to help me begin to understand new people I come into contact with, but I always bear in mind that people&#039;s identities change over time, and that there are no hard and fast definitions for labels. I guess I use them as a general indication of a few things: the individual&#039;s vague position on the gender/sexuality spectrum, and also the person&#039;s awareness of gender/sexuality issues.</p>
<p>However, I have grown to despise and resist any mention of labels with straight people. I find that my straight friends and acquaintances often have very narrow and inflexible ideas in their minds regarding labels. So for example, one friend freaked out when I mentioned I was seeing a transguy &#8211; &quot;But I thought you were a LESBIAN!?&quot;; or &quot;If you&#039;re a femme, why are you wearing jeans?&quot;. Very narrow, pretty ignorant, exceedingly tedious. So, whereas I used to try and educate my straight friends about LGBTIQ stuff, including labels, I now pretty muh leave them to figure it out on their own.</p>
<p>Incidentally, the only term I really dislike is &#039;queer&#039;, simply because to me it is so general as to be meaningless. I know it&#039;s really popular in the community at present, but it really tells me nothing at all about the person, because the term covers such wide territory. It&#039;s kind of the ultimate anti-label.</p>
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