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		<title>By: decision day &#171; Heather and Rachel Have Feelings</title>
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		<dc:creator>decision day &#171; Heather and Rachel Have Feelings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] way back in November when this was all first happening. For gay people, I&#8217;d recommend reading this open letter written by Sinclair of Sugarbutch Chronicles. Back in the saddle, people. For straight people, I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] way back in November when this was all first happening. For gay people, I&#8217;d recommend reading this open letter written by Sinclair of Sugarbutch Chronicles. Back in the saddle, people. For straight people, I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Put on a helmet. &#171; Two Ladies in Waiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Put on a helmet. &#171; Two Ladies in Waiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] November 8, 2008 by twoladiesinwaiting    I rarely just link, but, please read this. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What happened in November - Sugarbutch Chronicles</title>
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		<dc:creator>What happened in November - Sugarbutch Chronicles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Letter to myself: Enough Moping - we took the temperature of the country by seeing how these anti-gay amendments passed so easily. Stop dwelling on the giant blow of the election and channel the hurt energy into activism. Buck the fuck up. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Letter to myself: Enough Moping &#8211; we took the temperature of the country by seeing how these anti-gay amendments passed so easily. Stop dwelling on the giant blow of the election and channel the hurt energy into activism. Buck the fuck up. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: butchrebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>butchrebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post -- VERY well said! 
 
What is your take on (what I believe is the racist discourse of) white lgbtq people (white Femmes and white butches included) that blamed the recent passage of Proposition 8 on African Americans?  
 
Dan Savage, a gay white man, wrote the article that appears to have *formally*  launched this viscious racist attack on African Americans -- an attack that did not acknowledge that their are important and numerous allies to lgbtq people  in African American communities. 
 
(I&#039;m sure your readers know that Prop 8 is  the amendment to Califorinia state&#039;s constitution that REMOVES the (also recently recognized) right to marry from gays and lesbians). 
 
In your post, when exploring the reasons driving the anti-gay marriage movement, you state: &quot;Because we&#8217;re a threat to &#8220;&#039;tradition&#039; - by which I mean a heteronormative mutually exclusive binary gender system that controls families and perpetuates itself as a system of control, wealth, and power.&quot; 
 
I agree with ALL of that -- but you leave out /instutional racism and white supremacy... 
 
I&#039;m sure you agree that gay marriage poses a threat to white U.S. American social, political and economic domination as well as white privilege. 
 
Could you discuss/explore the reasons why the anti-gay movement is dominated by white heterosexuals? 
 
Why do you think that most white gay men who voted -- *did not* vote for Obama? Most white gay men voted for McCain -- a man leading a political party (Republicans) that supports  heterosexist, sexist and racist policies. 
 
I&#039;m asking you these questions, Sinclair, in part because I have only *personally* engaged one white queer person (who is also a super hot Femme:) who recognizes/analyzes racist discourse produced by lgbtq people (and racism &amp; white privilege in lgbtq communities in general).  
 
I know that there are white lgbtq people that share her views -- a comment to a previous post indicates that you are one of them. I would like to &quot;take in&quot; your perspective/those perspectives. 
 
I am also asking you these questions because  you have a wide readership -- the majority of whom are white folks who identify somewhere along the lgbtq spectrum. I am sure they would benefit from &quot;hearing&quot; your views on gay marriage rights in a context of institutional racism as well. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post &#8212; VERY well said!</p>
<p>What is your take on (what I believe is the racist discourse of) white lgbtq people (white Femmes and white butches included) that blamed the recent passage of Proposition 8 on African Americans? </p>
<p>Dan Savage, a gay white man, wrote the article that appears to have *formally*  launched this viscious racist attack on African Americans &#8212; an attack that did not acknowledge that their are important and numerous allies to lgbtq people  in African American communities.</p>
<p>(I&#039;m sure your readers know that Prop 8 is  the amendment to Califorinia state&#039;s constitution that REMOVES the (also recently recognized) right to marry from gays and lesbians).</p>
<p>In your post, when exploring the reasons driving the anti-gay marriage movement, you state: &quot;Because we&rsquo;re a threat to &ldquo;&#039;tradition&#039; &#8211; by which I mean a heteronormative mutually exclusive binary gender system that controls families and perpetuates itself as a system of control, wealth, and power.&quot;</p>
<p>I agree with ALL of that &#8212; but you leave out /instutional racism and white supremacy&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#039;m sure you agree that gay marriage poses a threat to white U.S. American social, political and economic domination as well as white privilege.</p>
<p>Could you discuss/explore the reasons why the anti-gay movement is dominated by white heterosexuals?</p>
<p>Why do you think that most white gay men who voted &#8212; *did not* vote for Obama? Most white gay men voted for McCain &#8212; a man leading a political party (Republicans) that supports  heterosexist, sexist and racist policies.</p>
<p>I&#039;m asking you these questions, Sinclair, in part because I have only *personally* engaged one white queer person (who is also a super hot Femme:) who recognizes/analyzes racist discourse produced by lgbtq people (and racism &amp; white privilege in lgbtq communities in general). </p>
<p>I know that there are white lgbtq people that share her views &#8212; a comment to a previous post indicates that you are one of them. I would like to &quot;take in&quot; your perspective/those perspectives.</p>
<p>I am also asking you these questions because  you have a wide readership &#8212; the majority of whom are white folks who identify somewhere along the lgbtq spectrum. I am sure they would benefit from &quot;hearing&quot; your views on gay marriage rights in a context of institutional racism as well.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God I love this post. </description>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a straight, white, Roman Catholic male I shouldn&#039;t really support gay marriage but I think the denial of basic rights to anyone is wrong so I am all for it, however it doesn&#039;t really impact me so my opinion is irrelevant. On a personal note I don&#039;t see how gay marriage could do a better job of devaluing the sanctity of marriage than heterosexual marriages are doing already, I live in the UK where slightly over 50% of marriages end in divorce and where we have publicity seekers like Peaches Geldof and Jodie Marsh, (now a lesbian apparantly), getting married and fully expecting to get divorced within a month or two. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a straight, white, Roman Catholic male I shouldn&#039;t really support gay marriage but I think the denial of basic rights to anyone is wrong so I am all for it, however it doesn&#039;t really impact me so my opinion is irrelevant. On a personal note I don&#039;t see how gay marriage could do a better job of devaluing the sanctity of marriage than heterosexual marriages are doing already, I live in the UK where slightly over 50% of marriages end in divorce and where we have publicity seekers like Peaches Geldof and Jodie Marsh, (now a lesbian apparantly), getting married and fully expecting to get divorced within a month or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Tieara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tieara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved reading this and I completely agree! 
 
It is amazing to see how our community is coming together and standing strong. Our numbers are growing each day as our protests become national.  
Community. United...yes this is how we will win. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved reading this and I completely agree!</p>
<p>It is amazing to see how our community is coming together and standing strong. Our numbers are growing each day as our protests become national. </p>
<p>Community. United&#8230;yes this is how we will win.</p>
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		<title>By: E loves T</title>
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		<dc:creator>E loves T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Sinclair.  Very well reasoned and written.   
 
I&#039;m going to forward this to my friends; gay, straight and in between; but especially to one whose anger is turning not to activism but to destruction.  She is ranting about bringing on a holy war. 
 
Please, people, read the ps at the end of this letter.  Real change will come from a positive, inclusive, high place not through destructive, angry bitterness.   
 
And, real change will come.  It is coming. 
 
xoxoxoxox </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Sinclair.  Very well reasoned and written.  </p>
<p>I&#039;m going to forward this to my friends; gay, straight and in between; but especially to one whose anger is turning not to activism but to destruction.  She is ranting about bringing on a holy war.</p>
<p>Please, people, read the ps at the end of this letter.  Real change will come from a positive, inclusive, high place not through destructive, angry bitterness.  </p>
<p>And, real change will come.  It is coming.</p>
<p>xoxoxoxox</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
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		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. I needed that.  
Hell every queer in my entire state needs to read this, and so many other blogs I have read in the past week.  
 
And in a way, we needed prop 8.  
Here in Texas our amendment passed with 75% of the vote back in 05. In one of the largest and most diverse cities in this country... I don&#039;t recall seeing even a tiny fraction of the battle I saw over prop 8. 
 
I can&#039;t imagine what it is like to finally gain those rights, only to lose them again so quickly. But Thank You to all those who have been so committed to these recent props. You have energized communities far removed from your own. I have heard more talk and outrage over prop 8 than when our own amendment passed.  
 
We needed to know that even the golden state is fighting against the same hate. We needed to be kicked out of our complacent little shells.  
 
Maybe our vote was a landslide and we won&#039;t be voting anytime soon. Maybe our supreme court is sooo not helping. But we can at least try and change what we can. 
Maybe next time our 75% can be 65%. 
 
Thank you! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. I needed that. </p>
<p>Hell every queer in my entire state needs to read this, and so many other blogs I have read in the past week. </p>
<p>And in a way, we needed prop 8. </p>
<p>Here in Texas our amendment passed with 75% of the vote back in 05. In one of the largest and most diverse cities in this country&#8230; I don&#039;t recall seeing even a tiny fraction of the battle I saw over prop 8.</p>
<p>I can&#039;t imagine what it is like to finally gain those rights, only to lose them again so quickly. But Thank You to all those who have been so committed to these recent props. You have energized communities far removed from your own. I have heard more talk and outrage over prop 8 than when our own amendment passed. </p>
<p>We needed to know that even the golden state is fighting against the same hate. We needed to be kicked out of our complacent little shells. </p>
<p>Maybe our vote was a landslide and we won&#039;t be voting anytime soon. Maybe our supreme court is sooo not helping. But we can at least try and change what we can.</p>
<p>Maybe next time our 75% can be 65%.</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for speaking your voice out loud, Sinclair.  I think it&#039;s important to remember that we do have a lot of work to do and that&#039;s it&#039;s going to be dirty work.  
It&#039;s strange that the US will embrace marriage on TV, in Vegas, and for game shows -and call it a sacred institution.  But letting gays get married-NO!  
I have an amazing magnet on my fridge that says &quot;But Mommy wouldn&#039;t Gay Marriages be Happy Marriages?&quot; 
Keep on Keepin&#039; on </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for speaking your voice out loud, Sinclair.  I think it&#039;s important to remember that we do have a lot of work to do and that&#039;s it&#039;s going to be dirty work. </p>
<p>It&#039;s strange that the US will embrace marriage on TV, in Vegas, and for game shows -and call it a sacred institution.  But letting gays get married-NO! </p>
<p>I have an amazing magnet on my fridge that says &quot;But Mommy wouldn&#039;t Gay Marriages be Happy Marriages?&quot;</p>
<p>Keep on Keepin&#039; on</p>
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