Comments on: Define: Cisgender

By: Word of the Week: Cisgender | Eden Cafe

Word of the Week: Cisgender | Eden Cafe — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:25:50 +0000

[...] sake of reaching a wider audience. But, recent sitings of this word all over the internet (namely here) and in my reading list (I highly recommend Whipping Girl to anyone interested in the topic of [...]

By: Curtis E. Hinkle

Curtis E. Hinkle — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:43:05 +0000

I am writing on behalf of the Organisation Intersex International to add a link to OII, the largest grassroots intersex organisation in the world. ISNA is now defunct. Our link is http://www.intersexualite.org Kind regards, Curtis E. Hinkle Founder, Organisation Intersex International http://www.intersexualite.org/

By: Sublimefemme

Sublimefemme — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:53:29 +0000

I have a really simple question: does anyone know the first print or internet use of the term cisgender?

Also, I really like Scarlett's post, "Cisgender and Getting Rid of a 'Safety Blanket,'" which brings up interesting points about cisgender in relation to femme.

AB: Thx for addressing intersexuality!

By: The Femmeinist Fucktoy » Cisgender and Getting Rid of a “Safety Blanket”

Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:44:35 +0000

[...] brought up a great point the other day in his post define: cisgender that I want to touch upon and explore. Now, I’ve had cisgender in my lexicon since I started [...]

By: !spark!

!spark! — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:32:28 +0000

I just had a “well, Duh!” moment. I’ve got a degree in chemistry, where cis- and trans- are used in naming molecules. These not new terms to me, but for some reason it wasn’t immediately obvious what cisgender means. Sometimes I’m slow ;>)

Chemistry lesson: Picture tinker toys or legos… say you use the same number and kinds/colors of pieces to build two molecules, that have the same overall shape. Well then they ought to have the same name. However maybe on one molecule you attached 2 blue legos on the left side; but on your next construction, you put the 2 blue pieces on opposite sides, one on the left and one on the right; but otherwise they’re identical. When you name these molecules, you need a way to distinguish between them, because they might actually have different chemical properties or react differently because of this same-side vs opposite-side structural differences. And so the prefixes cis- and trans- are added to their names.

I know we’re not talking structure here, but yeah, cis- means same and trans- means opposite (latin?) So pairing cis with trans in this usage for distinguishing gender differences is perfect! I wonder why trans has been in common usage for so long but cis is relatively newer?

By: AB

AB — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:22:30 +0000

As a transperson I appreciate cis-language so much more than "bio" or using language around chromosomes, whose genitals are "attached", etc. I've heard both cisgender and cissexual, (or cisexual).

I think that cisgender allows for a broader range of what is gender because folks who may not identify as Trans or Gender Queer per se, may also not be cisgender. There were amazing discussions about it at Trans-Health Conference in Philly this past spring and about the use of cisgender versus "non-trans".

Essin' Em, I totally agree with you that we're all biological – we all have biology! But "they just happen to not have a Y" doesn't sit well with me. I think that there are transfolks with intersex conditions and also intersex folks who are not trans and we really don't know anyone's chromosomes unless we test them… I hope that makes sense.

By: Essin' Em

Essin' Em — Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:04:51 +0000

I wrote a little bit about cisgender guilt the other day.

I've started to use the term XY men. Because transmen ARE men and they ARE biological. They just happen to not have a Y…

By: Sublimefemme

Sublimefemme — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:54:47 +0000

Regina, How does essentialism come into play here? Also, Serano's central argument is actually broader than this, isn't it? She's arguing about the longstanding deprivileging of femininity both in dominant culture and within feminism. But I agree that this book has some problems–e.g., her very limited representation of feminism. As in, what happened to the Third Wave?!

By: Regina

Regina — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:42:46 +0000

Thanks for the link. I've got one big (really big) problem with her argument. On the surface it makes sense. Why are transmen ans transwomen treated differently by women only organizations? Well if they exclude transwomen and not transmen it must be because they privilege masculinity. I think not. Her argument that this is about misogyny only really makes sense if you completely ignore the elephant in the room — good old dusty essentialism.

[Serano definitely addresses essentialism - and especially the problems with social constructionism when seen from a trans theory perspective - further in her book. - ss]

By: Cody

Cody — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:22:28 +0000

God! I remember the first time I heard the term (cisgendered), and I was like, "What is that?!" I felt SO behind the times. Language changes so quickly and it somehow often remains inadequate. Like in your discussion above about a word for people who recieve chivalry. Im not saying that we shouldn't/can't keep up and respect, but I want to express as being a part of the trans community, being a transman, I still have a hard time with new terminologies/words, etc. I am disgusted and alternately also willing to give people big slack about language. Am I making any sense? Ugh. Obvs. I didn't think about this as much as I could have, but I wanted to leave a comment anyway and let you know I was reading and thinking about it! Let's chat soon.

[I know what you mean about being forgiving, & I think that's important. If I ever correct someone's language or use of language, it's about communicating more accurately, not about cutting someone down. Sometimes I feel like these concepts are changing so quickly the use of language can barely keep up! And really it was only quite recently, in the last two years, that I heard "cisgendered," too - even though it's been around for quite a while. (I do also know what you mean about being disgusted. Sometimes it's so frustrating + insulting, but I try to remember that people are trying, and most of them don't *want* to be insulting, even if they are.) - ss]