Comments on: the red tie night, six years ago http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/ The sex, gender, and relationship adventures of a kinky queer butch top Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:52:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Semantics Sunday: Gender Galaxy | The Femmeinist Fucktoy http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/comment-page-1/#comment-3847 Semantics Sunday: Gender Galaxy | The Femmeinist Fucktoy Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:13:31 +0000 http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/#comment-3847 [...] of the best examples of his writing about the gender galaxy comes from his telling of his journey of learning how to navigate within the gender galaxy and finding his identity as butch: It took such a long time for me to come to comfortably sit in [...] [...] of the best examples of his writing about the gender galaxy comes from his telling of his journey of learning how to navigate within the gender galaxy and finding his identity as butch: It took such a long time for me to come to comfortably sit in [...]

]]> By: gorek http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/comment-page-1/#comment-2350 gorek Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:17:37 +0000 http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/#comment-2350 Oh I know you accept the category. That's the problem. I'm suggesting the category is sexist. <em>[Sure, I can see how an argument can be made that that category is sexist. And for the record, I do listen to pop music on occasion ... just last night I spent entirely too long looking at videos of David Cook on YouTube. That I've listed "chick lit" and "pop music" as part of my Turn Offs doesn't mean that I don't think the category is problematic, or that I completely reject all music that could be considered pop/popular. That list is just meant to be a statement of personal preference. As much as I am interested in the "day to day workings of misogyny," I unfortunately don't have time to go in depth into every possible way to explore it ... but that's why I read other opinions and articles. Thanks for that link to the Huffpo article, by the way. - ss]</em> Oh I know you accept the category. That’s the problem. I’m suggesting the category is sexist.

[Sure, I can see how an argument can be made that that category is sexist. And for the record, I do listen to pop music on occasion ... just last night I spent entirely too long looking at videos of David Cook on YouTube. That I've listed "chick lit" and "pop music" as part of my Turn Offs doesn't mean that I don't think the category is problematic, or that I completely reject all music that could be considered pop/popular. That list is just meant to be a statement of personal preference. As much as I am interested in the "day to day workings of misogyny," I unfortunately don't have time to go in depth into every possible way to explore it ... but that's why I read other opinions and articles. Thanks for that link to the Huffpo article, by the way. - ss]

]]> By: gorek http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/comment-page-1/#comment-2338 gorek Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:25:21 +0000 http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/#comment-2338 You should question your acceptance of "chick lit" as a category if you're interested in the day to day workings of misogyny. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/liza-palmer/the-chick-lit-debate_b_98251.html (And you're missing out if you don't listen to "pop music"! I'd question that category as well.) <em>[Oh, I accept "chick lit" as a category - it's just not my favorite genre. I do recognize that it has value for some. - ss]</em> You should question your acceptance of “chick lit” as a category if you’re interested in the day to day workings of misogyny.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/liza-palmer/the-chick-lit-debate_b_98251.html

(And you’re missing out if you don’t listen to “pop music”! I’d question that category as well.)

[Oh, I accept "chick lit" as a category - it's just not my favorite genre. I do recognize that it has value for some. - ss]

]]> By: on piercing: earlobe, clit, cock http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/comment-page-1/#comment-2296 on piercing: earlobe, clit, cock Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:05:25 +0000 http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/#comment-2296 [...] haven’t had earrings in my ears for years, since before that red tie photograph. I occasionally stick a post through the holes just out of curiosity, to see if they’re still [...] [...] haven’t had earrings in my ears for years, since before that red tie photograph. I occasionally stick a post through the holes just out of curiosity, to see if they’re still [...]

]]> By: cyn http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/comment-page-1/#comment-2266 cyn Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:59:26 +0000 http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/#comment-2266 beautiful post, thank you. i love your insight and ability to articulate your insight in writing - because i love to read. cyn. beautiful post, thank you. i love your insight and ability to articulate your insight in writing – because i love to read. cyn.

]]> By: Colleen http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/comment-page-1/#comment-2265 Colleen Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:14:24 +0000 http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/#comment-2265 Oh, Sin. This was lovely. Makes me kinda kick myself in the pants as I remember that I wanted to write my own "how I came to femme" story, because parts of it (especially the parts around "but can't I still be a feminist?") were things I went through, from the other side. Oh, Sin. This was lovely. Makes me kinda kick myself in the pants as I remember that I wanted to write my own “how I came to femme” story, because parts of it (especially the parts around “but can’t I still be a feminist?”) were things I went through, from the other side.

]]> By: jesse james http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/comment-page-1/#comment-2260 jesse james Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:58:32 +0000 http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/#comment-2260 Man, i was some kind of punk, huh? I was rowdy on purpose (I know you know that). So much of my behavior in that group was a gender search. We were all searching, I think. I was scared to look butch and purposefully overcompensated by acting out my understanding of masculine behavior. As the security boundary of our little click grew for me, so did my ideas of expression. After many a talks with you, I finally cut my hair short (and quite smoking, removing both masks at once) and eventually it felt safer to be softer. I should just write about this on my blog. Wonderful post though - it's a beautiful concept to trace our gender identities and expressions back as far as we can. And you know that I still try to offend you on purpose just to see your stern, serious face crack into that smile of yours... and it's even cuter when you really, really try not to laugh, and then explode with that one big "HA!" of yours. p.s. I also remember trying to give you nicknames for which you quickly denied! Diddy-Dawg ring a bell? Some names just stand alone too well to be nicked. Man, i was some kind of punk, huh? I was rowdy on purpose (I know you know that). So much of my behavior in that group was a gender search. We were all searching, I think. I was scared to look butch and purposefully overcompensated by acting out my understanding of masculine behavior. As the security boundary of our little click grew for me, so did my ideas of expression. After many a talks with you, I finally cut my hair short (and quite smoking, removing both masks at once) and eventually it felt safer to be softer.
I should just write about this on my blog. Wonderful post though – it’s a beautiful concept to trace our gender identities and expressions back as far as we can.
And you know that I still try to offend you on purpose just to see your stern, serious face crack into that smile of yours… and it’s even cuter when you really, really try not to laugh, and then explode with that one big “HA!” of yours.
p.s. I also remember trying to give you nicknames for which you quickly denied! Diddy-Dawg ring a bell? Some names just stand alone too well to be nicked.

]]> By: Essin' Em http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/comment-page-1/#comment-2252 Essin' Em Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:48:14 +0000 http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/#comment-2252 Random thoughts: *I've done drag as a lumber jack, interestingly enough. *J's performance for the drag show was really interesting (being genderqueer, then what is drag?) - it involved both a dress and boxers and someone playing the Gender Police. *Red ties = hot *I feel that the Butch identity, in my understanding, IS a feminist identity and reject misogyny , but clearly, this is up for debate. Excellent thing to think about. *If I had to choose one person I've met who I felt embodied "Butch" the best, I'd choo-choo-choose you. So whoever the fuck said you're not really Butch can just suck my ovaries. Random thoughts:
*I’ve done drag as a lumber jack, interestingly enough.
*J’s performance for the drag show was really interesting (being genderqueer, then what is drag?) – it involved both a dress and boxers and someone playing the Gender Police.
*Red ties = hot
*I feel that the Butch identity, in my understanding, IS a feminist identity and reject misogyny , but clearly, this is up for debate. Excellent thing to think about.
*If I had to choose one person I’ve met who I felt embodied “Butch” the best, I’d choo-choo-choose you. So whoever the fuck said you’re not really Butch can just suck my ovaries.

]]> By: The sorrow of the past « Freedomgirl http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/comment-page-1/#comment-2250 The sorrow of the past « Freedomgirl Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:27:04 +0000 http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/#comment-2250 [...] 17, 2008 · No Comments Reading the latest post over at sugarbutch, I felt a wave of sorrow break over me. She describes interacting with a group of friends in a way [...] [...] 17, 2008 · No Comments Reading the latest post over at sugarbutch, I felt a wave of sorrow break over me. She describes interacting with a group of friends in a way [...]

]]> By: Shannon http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/comment-page-1/#comment-2248 Shannon Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:06:14 +0000 http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/04/the-red-tie-night-six-years-ago/#comment-2248 So well said.. it is an ambiguity that endlessly fascinates me. So well said.. it is an ambiguity that endlessly fascinates me.

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