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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/03/lesbian-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-10967</link>
		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#8220;who actually gets turned on by watching butches kiss anyone?&#8221;&#8230;.  
 
i do. the feathered sideburns, the tight body moving over the feminine partner, the jaw muscles, the feminine glint of her eyes on a masculine expression, the slight tilt of her head forward as she rocks... oh wait. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&ldquo;who actually gets turned on by watching butches kiss anyone?&rdquo;&hellip;. </p>
<p>i do. the feathered sideburns, the tight body moving over the feminine partner, the jaw muscles, the feminine glint of her eyes on a masculine expression, the slight tilt of her head forward as she rocks&#8230; oh wait.</p>
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		<title>By: J.M. O&#039;Malley</title>
		<link>http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/03/lesbian-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-5414</link>
		<dc:creator>J.M. O&#039;Malley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post made me feel like I&#039;d been slapped in the face. I moved to the city a number of years ago from Birmingham, Alabama, and I&#039;m still hurt sometimes when I&#039;m reminded that I haven&#039;t completely escaped from the non-acceptance I experienced growing up.  
It&#039;s usually on a smaller, more low-grade scale- at my job, I work with a bunch of dudes. I&#039;m about as femme as they come, on the dyke scale, but all the men at work ask me these dumbass questions like, &quot;why do you act like a guy&quot;, or &quot;so, do you feel that you are like a guy basically?&quot; At the same time, when I venture out to lesbian clubs, shows, or parties, people stoically refuse to believe that I&#039;m a queer. Plenty of times folks are only friendly to me once they see me with my butch partner. I&#039;ve been told flat-out that I&#039;m too tall and thin to look like a lesbian (!), too inexplicably feminine, too somehow-just-straight-looking. It pisses me off mightily. 
I&#039;m curious about the craigslist poster. As a teen growing up in a small southern shithole town, I found myself in relationships with other women who could mostly pass as straight. Let me tell you something about the straight world and acceptance: I&#039;ve been jumped by strange men, shoved and hit in bars, spit on, and attacked in various other creative ways by straight men angry at seeing two hot girls on a date together. Not to mention the barf-inducing propositions of &quot;joining in&quot; or &quot;watching the action&quot; which turn inevitably to anger. This woman&#039;s idea that there&#039;s some normal dyke persona that can get the straights to all accept you, is the worst kind of bullshit. My experience has been that you are whoever you are, and assholes are going to find a way to get angry about it. That&#039;s when you learn to fight. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post made me feel like I&#039;d been slapped in the face. I moved to the city a number of years ago from Birmingham, Alabama, and I&#039;m still hurt sometimes when I&#039;m reminded that I haven&#039;t completely escaped from the non-acceptance I experienced growing up. </p>
<p>It&#039;s usually on a smaller, more low-grade scale- at my job, I work with a bunch of dudes. I&#039;m about as femme as they come, on the dyke scale, but all the men at work ask me these dumbass questions like, &quot;why do you act like a guy&quot;, or &quot;so, do you feel that you are like a guy basically?&quot; At the same time, when I venture out to lesbian clubs, shows, or parties, people stoically refuse to believe that I&#039;m a queer. Plenty of times folks are only friendly to me once they see me with my butch partner. I&#039;ve been told flat-out that I&#039;m too tall and thin to look like a lesbian (!), too inexplicably feminine, too somehow-just-straight-looking. It pisses me off mightily.</p>
<p>I&#039;m curious about the craigslist poster. As a teen growing up in a small southern shithole town, I found myself in relationships with other women who could mostly pass as straight. Let me tell you something about the straight world and acceptance: I&#039;ve been jumped by strange men, shoved and hit in bars, spit on, and attacked in various other creative ways by straight men angry at seeing two hot girls on a date together. Not to mention the barf-inducing propositions of &quot;joining in&quot; or &quot;watching the action&quot; which turn inevitably to anger. This woman&#039;s idea that there&#039;s some normal dyke persona that can get the straights to all accept you, is the worst kind of bullshit. My experience has been that you are whoever you are, and assholes are going to find a way to get angry about it. That&#039;s when you learn to fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian stereotypes, reclaiming language, and activism</title>
		<link>http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/03/lesbian-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-3237</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesbian stereotypes, reclaiming language, and activism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So now this author claims that butch dykes are giving lesbians a bad name and reinforcing stereotypical lesbianism. Oh,I recognize this tune. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So now this author claims that butch dykes are giving lesbians a bad name and reinforcing stereotypical lesbianism. Oh,I recognize this tune. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lula</title>
		<link>http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/03/lesbian-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-2201</link>
		<dc:creator>lula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was bemused when I read all of the above (post and comments).  
 
In a town where there&#039;s only one lesbian bar and you&#039;re either girly or boyish (mostly boyish although this seems to be changing slowly) this is a discussion that simply wouldn&#039;t even take place. You steer clear from the scary dykes, who stand at the bar, with their elbows wide, so you can&#039;t order a drink. You watch bemused as groups of dykes or femmes cluster on either side of the dance floor. And you remember those days when not a single dyke in the room would touch you with a loooooong stick. This &#039;discrimination&#039; has been around for as long as I can remember. And we certainly are unaware of all the wonderful labels that the US LGBT community has devised to define everything and anything. 
 
Maybe things have changed, but I&#039;m not the best judge as I&#039;ve been out of the scene for too long and prefer mixed company (i.e., straight and gay friends) when entertaining or going out (and so our friends). 
 
That said, this afternoon, my SO and I were entertaining our munchkin in the park and half of the sandbox wall was occupied by a group of 8 butchy-looking women who had joined a straight couple with kids. There is no secret handshake for lesbians of either denomination. They stuck to their side and we to ours.  
 
Should we have made the cross-over, waving the white flag, given that one of them was the ex of the ex of my ex (entourage!)? Should they have taken the first step across the sand divide?  
 
Who knows? I certainly don&#039;t. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was bemused when I read all of the above (post and comments). </p>
<p>In a town where there&#039;s only one lesbian bar and you&#039;re either girly or boyish (mostly boyish although this seems to be changing slowly) this is a discussion that simply wouldn&#039;t even take place. You steer clear from the scary dykes, who stand at the bar, with their elbows wide, so you can&#039;t order a drink. You watch bemused as groups of dykes or femmes cluster on either side of the dance floor. And you remember those days when not a single dyke in the room would touch you with a loooooong stick. This &#039;discrimination&#039; has been around for as long as I can remember. And we certainly are unaware of all the wonderful labels that the US LGBT community has devised to define everything and anything.</p>
<p>Maybe things have changed, but I&#039;m not the best judge as I&#039;ve been out of the scene for too long and prefer mixed company (i.e., straight and gay friends) when entertaining or going out (and so our friends).</p>
<p>That said, this afternoon, my SO and I were entertaining our munchkin in the park and half of the sandbox wall was occupied by a group of 8 butchy-looking women who had joined a straight couple with kids. There is no secret handshake for lesbians of either denomination. They stuck to their side and we to ours. </p>
<p>Should we have made the cross-over, waving the white flag, given that one of them was the ex of the ex of my ex (entourage!)? Should they have taken the first step across the sand divide? </p>
<p>Who knows? I certainly don&#039;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace the Spot &#124; Stuff Lesbians Like Part 20: Fitting in</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace the Spot &#124; Stuff Lesbians Like Part 20: Fitting in</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] However, this tide reversal has led to an inverted lesbian version of &#8220;Revenge of the Nerds.” See, some lesbians who fit in have now gone all Mean Girls on the former cool kids, the lesbians who don&#8217;t fit in. Some lesbians who fit in will in fact blame many of society&#8217;s ills on lesbians who don&#8217;t.... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] However, this tide reversal has led to an inverted lesbian version of &#8220;Revenge of the Nerds.” See, some lesbians who fit in have now gone all Mean Girls on the former cool kids, the lesbians who don&#8217;t fit in. Some lesbians who fit in will in fact blame many of society&#8217;s ills on lesbians who don&#8217;t&#8230;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Checking in with the Angry Anonymous Girl &#171; just like jesse james</title>
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		<dc:creator>Checking in with the Angry Anonymous Girl &#171; just like jesse james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been a few weeks now since I ran into your post on Craigslist. Since then, a lot has happened for me. The first time I read your post my jaw fell, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: hussyred</title>
		<link>http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/03/lesbian-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-1957</link>
		<dc:creator>hussyred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is all too common. we had a similar posting go down on the mpls CL w4w board a few weeks ago in which some poster was talking about how sick and tired she was of &quot;lesbians who hate their bodies&quot; and questioned the sanity of &quot;genderqueers - wtf ever!&quot; needless to say, it caused quite a rage in this femme (i&#039;m from jersey and i will *cut you* if you mess with my butches and my bois) and i responded in kind.  
 
my posting was flagged down twice, but i posted it back up a few times too. in the midst of it all, i received 6 emails telling me that femmes aren&#039;t really queer, 5 or so claiming w4w/lesbian community/queer community should be &quot;women-identified&quot; space only, and about 7 or so applauding me for my righteously rad gender politics.  
 
we have a long way to go on all of this. i was hoping it was just narrow-minded midwesterners, but i guess not. sigh. 
 
on the upside though, one of the 7 who complimented my defense skills, struck up a correspondence of sorts, and we went out on a date last night that was more than fairly successful. i guess that&#039;s a plus ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is all too common. we had a similar posting go down on the mpls CL w4w board a few weeks ago in which some poster was talking about how sick and tired she was of &quot;lesbians who hate their bodies&quot; and questioned the sanity of &quot;genderqueers &#8211; wtf ever!&quot; needless to say, it caused quite a rage in this femme (i&#039;m from jersey and i will *cut you* if you mess with my butches and my bois) and i responded in kind. </p>
<p>my posting was flagged down twice, but i posted it back up a few times too. in the midst of it all, i received 6 emails telling me that femmes aren&#039;t really queer, 5 or so claiming w4w/lesbian community/queer community should be &quot;women-identified&quot; space only, and about 7 or so applauding me for my righteously rad gender politics. </p>
<p>we have a long way to go on all of this. i was hoping it was just narrow-minded midwesterners, but i guess not. sigh.</p>
<p>on the upside though, one of the 7 who complimented my defense skills, struck up a correspondence of sorts, and we went out on a date last night that was more than fairly successful. i guess that&#039;s a plus ;)</p>
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		<title>By: introducing: jesse james</title>
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		<dc:creator>introducing: jesse james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the hoopla about the angry, anonymous girl, jesse james&#8217;s response, and running into a particularly nasty post on Dooce which examined [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hate Mail &#171; just like jesse james</title>
		<link>http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/03/lesbian-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-1948</link>
		<dc:creator>Hate Mail &#171; just like jesse james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that throw around this angry anonymous hate are aware of their impact? Two weeks ago Sinclair posted an ad on her blog that she ran into on Craigslist that some angry anonymous girl had written. Should you chose to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that throw around this angry anonymous hate are aware of their impact? Two weeks ago Sinclair posted an ad on her blog that she ran into on Craigslist that some angry anonymous girl had written. Should you chose to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SexyThings</title>
		<link>http://www.sugarbutch.net/2008/03/lesbian-does-not/comment-page-1/#comment-1843</link>
		<dc:creator>SexyThings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow I can&#039;t believe that biatch! What a ignorant hypocrite! </description>
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